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The Linda Moulton Howe Interview
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 (CST) by Thoth
 A lot of men don’t like strong-minded women – they’re just too intimidating and they can’t mentally handle them. Linda Moulton Howe is one such woman, but then again, she’s had to be.
You rarely get anywhere in life pussyfooting around and as it’s still, predominantly, a man’s world, you have to play hard to achieve anything.
And Linda has certainly achieved. Twenty six years in journalism and TV reporting and producing that has resulted in a list of awards for her work that won’t fit on just one mantelpiece, she has forged a path in a wide diversity of subjects from science through to animal mutilations. And on more than one occasion she has so overwhelmed America with what she’s produced that if you had touched her, you would have burnt your fingers. It is reasonable to describe her as a very successful journalist.
Success
naturally attracts criticism and sniping and there’s certainly been a
bit of that. Occasionally, Linda has made genuine errors of judgement
but she wouldn’t be alone by a very long way. But, hypocrisy is a
much-valued human trait and we wouldn’t want to detract from her
critics.
I found this interview
interesting. I did want to make the point in our discussion that she
wasn’t just known for one topic and that she had successfully covered a
number of different topics. That point is indeed made during the
interview, more than once by Linda herself and yet I was very
surprised, once we started talking, just how quickly we came round to
animal mutilations. This subject is still very, very close to Linda’s
heart and one on which she speaks with great passion.
SM: You went to Stanford
and got a Masters degree in communication. I presume from that that you
had it in your mind, when you went to college in the first place to
eventually go into journalism?
LH: Yes, I wanted to do what I did, which was to work in television, non-fiction, in documentaries and public affairs.
SM: You’ve specialised in a number of different areas, in science, in the environment, and obviously in Ufology, etc. Is there…
LH: No, I didn’t specialise
ever in my life in the word “Ufology”. It’s really irritating to me. I
have always been a television producer, a documentary filmmaker, and an
investigative reporter. That’s my work. And one of the subjects that I
investigated and produced a television show about was the animal
mutilation phenomena affecting the United States, Canada, Australia and
other parts of the world, in the summer and into the fall of 1979.
That’s the film A Strange Harvest. Prior to that for eleven years, I
had received a National Emmy nomination, and other Emmies and a Peabody
and a lot of awards for the work that I was doing in science and
environmental reporting, which is what I had done before A Strange
Harvest.
The film is about a
phenomenon that law enforcement and military and intelligence people,
only off the record and not going before cameras, told me without any
question and uncertain terms that the animal mutilation phenomenon of
the world was linked to. This is their term, extraterrestrial
biological entities. As a TV producer, documentary film maker and
investigative reporter, the film that I produced that was first
broadcast as a two hour special on the CBS station in Colorado was the
exploration of what I learned trying to understand why these animals
were being found, not only in Colorado but all over the world, with the
same bloodless incisions. That was one of the hallmarks; no blood, no
puncture marks from teeth or claws, no evidence of what is called
natural predator attacks, and no tracks around the body of the animal,
even those that were found on snow, wet sand, and powdery dust. We’re
talking about animals looking the same as if they had been laid down.
SM: Would I be right in thinking though Linda that that was not the first documentary that you had produced.
LH: Oh no. I had been doing
documentaries since I graduated from Stanford in 1968. I went to work
in news in Los Angeles, I was married and my husband went to Harvard
and I was doing science and medical programming at WCVB-TV, the ABC
station in Boston where I was a producer.
Then we went to Denver
where my husband was working for Time Inc. in their video division and
I was hired to be director of Special Projects at the CBS station. By
that time when I started the investigation into the animal mutilations
in September 1979, I had been working as a TV producer and documentary
filmmaker for eleven years.
SM: Indeed, yes, that was
really the point I wanted to make. Do you find that a lot of people
make the assumption that you thought I’d made that you’re only
associated with cattle mutilations?
LH: Yes, it's frustrating
that out of the large number of news stories I have covered that the
animal mutilation investigation became the benchmark of my
investigative reporting career. But I guess it's because governments
and law enforcement had pretty much convinced the public and media that
the answers were predator or Satanic cults. When I concentrated on the
actual physical evidence and eyewitness testimonies and reported
straightforwardly at least one law enforcement official saying on the
record he thought the perpetrators were "creatures not from this
planet," I guess that was groundbreaking.
But what I've learned over
the past 26 years since beginning my animal mutilation investigation
and the TV broadcast, A Strange Harvest, is that the word "Ufology"
carries so much negative baggage.
There have been in the last
three years in Argentina and Chile alone at least 3,200 cases of animal
mutilations reported to veterinarians and law enforcement in those
countries. Veterinarians have gone on the record with the media and
reports filed with SENASA, Argentina's version of our Dept. of
Agriculture, that the excisions of many examined animals were subjected
to high heat. But the instrument is not identified. That is exactly
what I first reported with the help of pathologist and haematologist,
Dr. John Altshuler. Dr. Altshuler had a respected career at the
University of Colorado in Denver and then ran his own pathology and
haematology lab for years until his untimely death in 2004 from a
bicycle accident. Dr. Altshuler was brave enough, beginning in 1988, to
help me research tissues from mutilated animals I collected in the
field and returned to his lab. His findings and photomicrographs I
reported for the first time in my book, An Alien Harvest © 1989.
They were all saying that
these incisions were being cut by something that was causing heat and
it was Doctor John Altshuler who, looking under microscopes and taking
photo micrographs, could show me that the collagen, the haemoglobin
were being cooked at the very site of these incisions on the bodies of
the animals that we were investigating. I think personally I have gone
out into the field to more than a dozen of these animals to collect
tissue and in some cases, grass and soil samples for biophysical
examination.
And once you have done that
much field research and once you keep getting back from people who are
outstanding in their field that you are dealing with something that is
not easily explained, then you know that the original reports a decade
earlier with law enforcement and others who are saying that we are
dealing with creatures not from this planet, keeps being held up by the
physical evidence we were investigating. That is the parallel track
that I kept; how would anybody with a reasonable mind leave a subject
in which the bottom line is that animals are being killed bloodlessly,
without leaving tracks, around the world and that law enforcement and
military and Intel working for the United States government link the
bodies of animals around the world directly to some kind of non human
presence. How do you ever leave that subject alone until the government
admits it publicly?
SM: So you feel you can’t walk away until you’ve reached some sort of conclusion with it?
LH: Well, it’s a story that
keeps going is, my point. There’s not a single year since 1979 when I
first started investigating the story, that there have not been so many
unusual reports of animal deaths in this category around the world,
including right now. There’ are new cases right now and when we’re
talking about animal mutilations, why are they so unusual? Why do they
stick out from anything that satanic cults do, what predators do, and
disease? It’s because all of these animals, whether it’s in England
where I’ve investigated cases there as well, it is the same thing. It
is usually one ear, on the same side of the face that an eye is taken,
on the same side of the face that half of the jaw flesh is taken, and
often, it is a perfect half of the face, making it quite bizarre. The
hide in the flesh is removed cleanly to the bone leaving nothing. Do
this yourself; go and ask any veterinarian or a pathologist. If an
animal is still warm to touch, which usually indicates it has been dead
only zero to 12 hours, and you are looking at bone in that head, but
there’s not any flesh whatsoever on the bone, in the jaw and in that
area, then you will hear the same thing I have heard, over and over and
over again. It’s not possible. The only way to get tissue off of bone
is to boil it off. Okay, that didn’t happen, so whatever it is that
took that jaw flesh was doing so with some kind of instrument that can
remove everything down to the bone.
Another thing, which law
enforcement asked me not to report back in the 70s and 80s as they
wanted it to be one of those secret pieces of evidence that they had
because they worry about copycats, whether its in humans, animals or
whatever, was the fact that in case after case after case, one or two
molars in the cow’s jaw, were removed and always on the same side that
the tissue of the eye and the ear were removed. And this was done
cleanly, again without blood.
The tongue in probably 95%
of the cases was removed in a vertical cut deep within the throat,
often upon necropsy showing that the trachea was removed along with the
tongue. You would not know that if you did not have a necropsy done. In
a few cases, in addition to the trachea being removed with the tongue,
have also been necropsy reports of the oesophagus also being removed.
And then as you move into
the body of the animal, male or female, penis and scrotum on males, the
udder and teats on the female in, I would say, at least the majority of
cases have been excised. In the classic mysterious cases I’m talking
about, the removal of the belly is either squarish, scalloped or
circular. It’s a very odd cut. Around any portion of the genitals and
in the females, the vaginal tract is almost always taken with rectal
tissue and in the male, also rectal tissue, and that gives you the
classic repeated removal of tissue.
There are sidebars to this
in which in many cases, the tail of the animal is removed right up to
the base of the tailbone. I have seen photographs of this very glassy
appearance, cutting right through the tailbone. It’s very odd and the
tail is removed for whatever reason. And in some cases, there are what
are called quarter inch wide by one inch to one and a half inch deep –
many sheriffs that I talked to about this refer to them as being like
biopsy punches – often from the briscuit, the neck, or even under the
front legs of the animals. And it’s very interesting that even right
now as we speak, one of the mysteries of animal deaths in Calhan,
Colorado in the United States this week has been the report of more
than 16 horses found in an area that had repeated animal mutilations
over and over, decade after decade.
SM: Yes, I’ve seen that report.
LH: And what is the big
mysterious characteristic that they have found on all these horses?
Like I was amazed to be reading that it is a quarter inch by one to two
inches of what looks like a single hole and on X ray, they cannot find
any bullets. Well that is consistent with the animal mutilations
without the other tissue being taken on all these horses in Colorado.
Why these variations in any given year and time, I have no idea.
If we are dealing with a
non human intelligence that is harvesting genetic material and fluids
and whatever it is they are doing with earth life, it is beyond my
comprehension and it has certainly been beyond the comprehension of the
military and Intel people that I have talked to about what exactly is
the agenda.
But the bottom line is,
everyone I have had off the record conversations with, including a
Lieutenant Colonel in the army, admits that they know its
extraterrestrial. The government does not want to admit it. They can’t
stop it, obviously, it’s been going on for decades, maybe it’s been
going on for centuries under some other name, and the one thing that
they don’t want to open up to the public and the world is that a
subject as repulsive as animal mutilations in every country and every
hemisphere, over time there’s been reports everywhere, that they don’t
want that to be the opening headline, “Sorry ladies and gentlemen,
we’ve been hiding information from you about extraterrestrial
biological entities interaction with our planet because we can’t
control animal mutilations. We can’t stop this, we can’t do that, we
don’t know exactly why they are here or where they are from.” Which
President, which Prime Minister wants to stand up in front of a
thousand microphones and admit that?
SM: Linda, you said very
emphatically that you’ve been told repeatedly that it’s an
extraterrestrial source that is responsible for this. Have these people
that have told you this ever told you how they come to know this?
LH: Get a copy, a Jpeg of
the book cover of The Day After Roswell © 1997 by Lt. Col. Philip J.
Corso, now deceased. In that book, he lays out very clearly the details
he was privy to from his work in the Eisenhower administration about
the fact, and these are his terms as well, that the animal mutilations
were being conducted around the world by extraterrestrial biological
entities. And I met him for the first time on July 4th 1997 at the 50th
anniversary of the alleged Roswell crash at Roswell. Later on, after
that event, he and I were able to talk privately in another location
and also by phone. And he told me face to face that he had seen with
his own eyes, highly classified documents with a date as early as 1951,
during his work for the Eisenhower administration that were describing
the unusual bloodless deaths of animals around the world, with the same
signature of incisions, without blood, no tracks around the bodies of
the animals and that was 1951, and these highly classified documents
stated that the perpetrators were, quote, Extraterrestrial Biological
Entities, unquote. That’s what he told me before he died in 1998.
SM: So in your mind, there
is absolutely no chance that this is somehow connected with the
American government, for one reason or another.
LH: We’re talking about
worldwide, we’re talking about cases documented even in Australia,
going back to the earliest newspaper accounts in 1961 in Huntsville,
Alabama. That’s only ten years after Lieutenant Philip J. Corso said
that he saw with his own eyes, documents dated 1951. The government of
the United States would have what resources in 1951 to go around the
world in both hemispheres, lifting animals from the ground, excising
tissue and fluid and returning them without tracks and blood? You find
the technology.
SM: That’s a fair point. With all the people you have talked to, has any motive ever been suggested?
LH: Yes. Always the same. Genetic harvesting.
SM: Why do they need so much?
LH: I don’t know. It falls into the category more of a food supply from the amount and the quantity.
SM: Right. A few moments
ago you were talking about newspaper reports of animal mutilations and
cases which were not covered by the newspapers. Were you implying that
there is at times an element of censorship going on here to minimize
the number of accounts of this nature that appear in the media or am I
drawing an inference that wasn’t there?
LH: What I have seen over
the 26 years since I first started investigating this, as I said, I was
a producer and documentary film maker and by the time I started
investigating animal mutilations I had received numerous awards for my
work and I’m saying, not as a pat on the back, that I had been
producing and being honoured with journalistic awards for 11 years. I’m
going to make a point out of this. There would be these spikes. There
would be a whole flood of animal mutilations and then these stories
would go away and then there would be another flood. There was such
another flood in 1979 while I was working on a completely different
documentary. Being my charge, my responsibility, my assignment was to
always be staying up with what was happening in environmental issues,
medical and scientific issues and this was happening all over the state
of Colorado for which I was director of Special Projects at the CBS
station.
When I first learned about
this story, and I know this is a circuitous answer but it’s coming up
to underscore what’s happened in the media today and what I have seen
evolve over the last 26 years, sometimes I have been stunned by the
lack of courage of the media and editors to go against political
restraints, that which is not politically acceptable. And that’s even
when they know that the explanations provided by the authorities and
the government are completely bogus. And that the fact the media will
buy into politically illogical explanations for phenomenon that are
happening around them and will not spend money to investigate further
has always astonished me, and that’s where I’m headed, and I will try
to make this brief.
The first person who told
me about the fact that there were all these mutilations was an audio
man working for me on another documentary in that summer of 79. His
name was Mark O’Kane. He had been working on a 20/20 ABC television
network special. 20/20 had just come into existence and he told me they
had shot over 100,000 feet of double system film and this was not a
time of video tape. This was when you had a Nagra with a crystal sync
that was umbilical to cameras and the audio man and camera man always
had to be a team dancing around a story because you had to have the
crystal sync keeping the audio running with the speed being synced up
later on a machine and that’s how we worked, that was how you got
picture and sound. So to devote more than a 100, 000 feet to any story,
it was an horrendous amount of money, time and effort.
So that astonished me and
the subject was Unusual Animal Deaths in the United States so as a
television producer hearing that I said, “When is this going to air?”
And he said, “Well I heard that it was dropped.” And I replied, “You’re
saying that a network shot over 100,000 feet of double system and they
dropped the story. Why?” And he said he didn’t know. But he went on,
“But the strange thing is Linda, we couldn’t keep any batteries
functioning on that entire shoot.” That was a common problem I had.
That was a common problem so many people covering animal mutilations
have had for 30 years. Why I cannot tell you but batteries that should
last for 4 or 6 hours can be put on a camera fresh and bang, in 20
minutes they’re gone. And you can have 12 battery packs ready and every
single one of them will experience the same thing. I do not know why
but we had a constant problem which is exactly what he said 20/20 also
had.
That got my attention so I
called up the executive producer in New York and I said that my name
was Linda Moulton Howe and that I was director of Special Projects at
the CBS station in Denver. My audio man on a documentary has said that
he just worked with you on a shoot having to do with unusual animal
deaths in the United States and that you shot over 100,000 feet of film
and I wanted to find out what the status was. And to my surprise he
said, “We dropped the story”. I asked why and this was exactly his
answer; “We’re in the business of news and we could never get a hard
answer.”
Now, if you’re in my shoes,
in a State in which these animals are dropping all over the place and
you’re hearing this from an executive in New York, wouldn’t you want to
find out what was behind all this?
SM: Yes.
LH: That’s why, as director
of Special Projects, I began what became the documentary A Strange
Harvest which is definitely a strange harvest, and ten years later, I
used the same title, changing the word Strange to Alien on the book,
specifically and purposely, because in those ten years I had become
absolutely convinced we were dealing with non humans, they were being
seeing seen in broad daylight by ranchers, I talked to so many…
SM: Can I stop you there. I’ve never heard that before. Are you saying…
LH: It’s in my books!
SM: I’m sorry; I’ve never caught that before.
LH: My gosh, yes. Newspaper
reports in Colorado, I still have them and they’re in my book, An Alien
Harvest, and if you’re hearing frustration, it’s because I’ve tried to
follow every journalistic tenet. I have tried to always have three or
more eye witnesses for everything I have reported. Where I have been
able to get photographs, where I’ve been able to get drawings, multiple
eye witness accounts, I have reported them. There were newspaper
accounts, one in Colorado in which a rancher is describing seeing a
small being, I think it was more than one, float, that was the word in
the newspaper article, float over his coral fence.
SM: Good grief.
LH: Oh, there’s so many.
I’m just astonished. If you go back, you really, really should get
(laughing) An Alien Harvest And Glimpses of Other Realities Volume 1
for your own context of being able to do anything legitimate in this
story, you really, really should see what’s there in the facts.
"When I think of the
hundreds of people I have interviewed since 1979 about the global
animal mutilation mystery, at least a dozen people have described
seeing beams of light come out of something in the sky into pastures
where animals are later found dead and mutilated. Some have even seen
animals rise up in whatever the beam technology is, or being returned
in the beam, or even dropped heavily to the ground from whatever the
round, glowing aerial objects are that emit the beams.
I've talked with law
enforcement, this is an absolutely chilling case, he’s now also
deceased, a wonderful Sheriff called George Yarnell from Elizabeth
Colorado which is very near Calhan, an area that has had animal
mutilations in an intense way in cycles now for at least forty years.
Sheriff Yarnell, who is in my film A Strange Harvest told me privately,
he would not tell me on camera because so many sheriffs have had so
many weird and strange encounters and they were afraid if they were
ever on television or on radio or in the newspapers talking about what
they had really seen and really experienced that they would be
ridiculed, which also comes back to your original question; Why has the
media totally avoided this subject? It is politically unacceptable and
when people reported animal mutilations they were ridiculed, including
law enforcement. So they always came up with other explanations.
Satanic cults, predators, or disease, none of which has ever explained
any of this.
OK, so Sheriff Yarnell
hired a pilot, the Sheriff of Albert County where Elizabeth is. He gets
the OK with the aviation people, on a formal law enforcement
investigation, to fly at night in pure darkness without any lights on
the plane. And what are they looking for? They’re trying to hide
themselves, to camouflage themselves in the dark, to look for lights on
the ground, because the one thing that every sheriff and every deputy
that I’ve interviewed, and I interviewed them all over the place, they
talked about the orange glowing lights or the white glowing lights that
were always, always linked to animal mutilations, and that’s what they
were looking for.
It’s dark and all of a
sudden the Sheriff said that the pilot almost screamed. It was a very
loud yell and he sounded afraid. The Sheriff said he had been looking
out of a window, looking for lights and the pilot yelled and screamed,
“Look down”. And when he looked down, in the darkness, somehow dark
against dark, they were in a Cessna and he could see underneath them
there was the circumference of a darker circle right below the plane,
blotting out the ground. The pilot said, “There is something tracking,
right below us.” It scared Sheriff George Yarnell.
SM: Is there any connection in your mind between cattle mutilations and human mutilations?
LH: In the 26 years I have
tried to understand the story, I have heard rumours, I’ve heard
circumstantial descriptions, I have yet to see a single piece of
forensic evidence, coroners report, medical report of any kind
concerning human mutilations.
SM: Right, so you don’t think there’s any connection there at all.
LH: How could I report such a connection if there is no proof?
SM: Just one other factor
in this. A lot of people, when talking about cattle mutilations, will
mention black helicopters. Is there anything in that as far as you’re
concerned or is it something that somebody’s made up?
LH: Oh no, they were an
intimate part of animal mutilations. I’ll give you two examples. Lou
Sherodo, Chief Investigator in the District Attorney’s office in
Trinidad, Colorado; the crew and I were sitting across from him at
10:00 pm late one night. It was the only time we could get with him
because his life was so overwhelmed with animal mutilation reports that
he was going to. I was asking him the same question that I ask every
single person that I talk with; who or what do you think is killing and
mutilating these animals? And he was the first person in law
enforcement to say on the record in front of a TV camera what everybody
else had been telling me off the record. He said, “Other investigators
and I have come to the conclusion that we are dealing with creatures
not of this planet.” All of that is in the documentary.
Then he volunteered and
went on to relate another strange part of this story. All of the black
helicopters that are always reported being in the pastures, we had
already talked about the orange lights and the white lights, and he
said, “You tell me Linda, what black helicopter dissolves into a cloud?”
Well, I heard from so many
people in Montana and Wyoming and Colorado and Utah and all over the
place in Canada, of people who had been watching what they thought was
a silent, black helicopter, in a blue sky, that would just dissolve
into white mist. You tell me what that is. Law enforcement didn’t know
what it was. But, I was pausing there for you to think about it but
here is the conclusion that surfaced from so many in law enforcement;
“We came to the conclusion that we were dealing with an intelligence
than can camouflage itself as anything that it wants to that is here on
earth, including black helicopters.” That’s in the film. That’s been on
the record since it was first broadcast in May of 1980 and we’re
talking in October of 2005, so for 25 years his words have been on the
record.
Source
To read Part 2 of the Interview, please click here.
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