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The following is an excerpt of the transcript from the TV Talk Show –Let’s Talk…Paranormal.

Guest – Michael Horn (MH)

Host & Executive Producer – Tracie Austin-Peters (LTP)

LTP: My guest today, Michael Horn, is the official American Media Representative for Billy Meier, a simple Swiss farmer who has been having contact with UFOs since the age of five, and Michael has been researching this case for nearly twenty-five years...

He’s a musician, a songwriter and an inventor. He created “Nail Art,” he’s also the creator of the “Sit And Get Fit” video-fitness program, and for the last thirty years has all of that experience along with Yoga, Tai Chi, Chi Gong, and various massage. There really is no end to Michael’s talent, but today he’s here to discuss and share with us information about Billy Meier, and why he feels the case is a valid one. Michael, thank you for joining us today. This really is an outstanding case with Billy: sixty-two years of contact. How did you meet Billy?

MH: Well, actually I met Billy four years ago for the first time. Even though I’ve been studying the case and all the information for many years before that - a little more than twenty actually - I went to Switzerland because there was a group of people that would come every year to meet from around the world, who were involved in studying the material. Though I had done all of my work independently, I had decided just prior to that, by perhaps half a year or so, to join a study group in LA that had a few people that were studying the material. And that way I could officially go and meet him as part of a little tiny American contingent, a very tiny one, three people. So I had the opportunity and I went and I just got back from my fourth year of visiting.

LTP: So what made the case valid to you? And why was it that you felt you wanted to go out and research this?

MH: Well, of course, when I saw the first photo book as a lot of people did in 1979, I had the feeling that this is real. Now you can look at something and say this is real or isn’t real, but you can’t make a conclusion that you can stand behind based simply on impressions from photographs one way or the other. But there was more to it than that. Even in the first photo-book, there was some of the investigative research done on the photography, on metal samples, and information quotes from the alleged extraterrestrials, and things that made sense to me. So I decided to find anything and everything else I could at that time. It wasn’t until seven years later, that I was in a little café in Sedona, Arizona, ordering a sandwich, a little health food place, and my daughter and I and friends were the only people in there except for another fellow sitting in the back. And because it was a health food restaurant, it takes a long time to make a little sandwich, so we got speaking with each other, and it turned out he’s a retired IRS agent. We talked about Sedona andUFOs; the Billy Meier case also came up, and before we knew, he said: “Well, when you get back to LA, why don’t you come up and read the contact reports?” I said, “What’s that?” to which he said: “Well you know those quotes from the ETs? There are almost two thousand pages of conversation that Meier had with these people, and that’s what it’s taken from.” So when I got back to LA, this was in 1986, I went and this guy gave me all the stuff, and I was reading it literally for weeks, partially because the translations were difficult, but primarily because they were so compelling, so interesting. And that’s what drew me farther and farther, deeper and deeper into the case, because there was information in there, and a tone, and a reality to the conversations that defied in my mind a hoax.

LTP: So it just pulled you in? You felt that this is valid and that we need to investigate this further?

MH: Yes, I want to know more; I want to know everything I can know about this.

LTP: Let’s have a look at some pictures of Billy. This is Billy here, a simple Swiss farmer.

MH: Pretty much the way he looks these days.

LTP: And he is handicapped, he has one arm?

MH: Yes, I believe he lost his arm in 1967; he lost his left arm. He had taken photographs of UFOs prior to that in India in 1964. The amazing thing in this case is that after he lost his arm, the physical evidence became more abundant and better then when he had two arms. So how do you start becoming a better hoaxer if that were the case? I’ve often said for the people who are skeptics, the only way this could be more obvious and real is if Billy had no arms and did it with his jaw or something.

LTP: How well is Billy known in Switzerland? Do they know who he is?

MH: Well, in the immediate region, he’s known quite well. As a matter of fact, what a lot of people don’t know is that even the Swiss military on a regular basis have people coming and consulting with him about various things. He’s extremely knowledgeable in areas that would far exceed your expectations, or mine, if what a so-called simple Swiss farmer should be knowing about. But when you throw into the mix that he’s at this point - I can say we have conclusively proved that he’s a real UFO contactee - then it’s no longer so surprising that he should have the knowledge that he has.

LTP: Now why do you think Billy has been chosen, Michael? Why not the US President?

MH: It’s funny you pick that example because the story is that after Billy had been working with the Extraterrestrials for some time, an approach was made to a Government, and I think it was the US. But the terms were that the ETs would interact with the Government through Billy. This was unacceptable to the egos of the Government people, and we missed out on an interaction and a benefit perhaps to all humanity because of some peoples’ enormous egos, that they couldn’t tolerate that a lesser man would stand between them. So why Billy? The case has a lot of things in it that I divide into two categories; facts and speculation. The answer has to fall into the realm of speculation because it’s based on reincarnation which is not yet to us a fact of life. Apparently, to the Extraterrestrials it is, and Billy - not the person but the spirit - the eternal part of him that we all have, that spirit form or spirit has a very, very ancient past and one that has served as a profit at different times on our world, historically in the past. As I say, that’s speculative; nobody has to believe this type of thing, but this is the answer they give, and at some point maybe we’ll be able to verify that type of thing, reincarnation and the rest of it.

LTP: Absolutely. Let’s take a look at some of the craft that Billy has photographed, and I believe that these people are Plejarans?

MH: Yes, that’s actually what they are called, formerly referred to as Pleiadians because it was part of a deliberate approach on the part of the Extraterrestrials and Billy to use this word Pleiadian, because they came from the direction of the Pleiades star system, but in an a layered space and time continuum because the Pleiades that we see from Earth are not inhabitable. These are little suns or something; so I’m not all that knowledgeable about altered time and space continuums. But they use the term Pleiadian so that anybody that would start to claim contact or channeling with Pleiadians subsequent to Billy, would be shown to be fake, a hoaxer. There are no Pleiadians.

LTP: There are no Pleiadians. Well, have they explained to Billy why they are here?

MH: Yes, and I’ve encapsulated the idea in terms of calling it “The Maya Contacts, The Key To Our Future Survival,” and I mean it absolutely, literally our future survival. This isn’t about space brothers coming to save us, it’s not about ascension and fourth dimensions, and other things like this, which they simply say are not realities. These are not real things. What’s real is we are third dimensional people. Yes, there’s many dimensions, yes, there’s much to discover and learn, but we are going to do it here on this planet; they are here to try to help prevent us killing ourselves.

LTP: So they are concerned how we interact with one another, and the planet, how we treat the planet?

MH: How we treat the planet, and especially the events that are unfolding now and have been for sometime, that pertain to the world and the wars. They’ve written about this and some of the prophecies are literally ancient. Ancient prophecies are a huge focal point in the case.

LTP: You could understand, Michael that somebody would be very skeptical at seeing this photograph - that it’s computer generated.

MH: Oh sure. The only problem is that when Meier took the photos between 1975 and 1979, there were no computers around for people to play with, there was no photo-shop; none of it existed. And Meier is living not in Hollywood. Meier is living in a remote Swiss village with no resources to fake things.

LTP: What does Billy say when people tend to be quite skeptical about all of these pictures?

MH: Billy always says that people should be free to decide for themselves. This is not to be forced on people; that’s why if these people are real, they could certainly land and show up anywhere at any time. But, we are supposed to do the work, to determine for ourselves whether these are real. Now, of course, I should mention that a good number of the photographs were subjected to the most rigorous photo analysis. And recently as a matter of fact, 2001, our challenge to the top international professional skeptics organization to duplicate only one of his photos, and one of his films because they said it was an easily duplicated hoax. Months went by, after they had accepted the challenge, and nothing was forthcoming. I told them at that point, instead of worrying about using cameras, you could use computers, do anything you want. Well, it was well over three years, and after that period of time, they finally came out with six photos that bore no resemblance visually. They looked like nice little things floating, but they were not with trees in front. They said: “See, we have duplicated the effect.” And I said: “Well, you know a science-fiction movie can duplicate the effect, but aren’t you aware that we have got parameters here?” Well, they didn’t want to hear about it, and I was on a big radio show for four hours one night, talking about their failure to duplicate, and one of the guys called in and the host of the show challenged him to have his photos analyzed as Meiers’ were, and he refused publicly.

LTP: Now, wasn’t there a model of a UFO found on the property of Meier?

MH: Sure, as a matter of fact, models were brought over by the investigative team. They deliberately made and spent several hundred dollars on Hollywood quality models so that they could test and photograph them in the same locations that the Meier photos were taken in, and then submit them to computer analysis to see if indeed they could discern the difference. Meier tried to make a model, and take snap shots of it, and basically threw the pictures away in disgust because it was such an obvious and inferior quality. But he was trying to figure how he could even make something look like the real thing. But the whole thing of them finding models: well, yes they made the models deliberately.

LTP: But the models were made after the contacts?

MH: Oh yes, after the photos had already been taken.

LTP: Didn’t his ex-wife say that he was making up the whole story?

MH: That was after a couple of interesting things: after she and fifteen other people had passed a lie detection test that the case was real, after she had done a video interview to the effect of it, and also after he and she were parting company as a married couple. I understand that things happen sometimes between people, little things occur where suddenly there’s animosity and bitterness, and what have you. See, this isn’t a case about perfect beings; this is a case about human beings, and because of that, everything that could go wrong went wrong, including with the extraterrestrials which I was just talking to Billy about last week. And we have to remember that these ideas of everything being perfect come from our conditioning, basically from religions and unreal type of thinking that this is not involved with.

vLTP: So how have these contacts changed Billy, Michael?

MH: Well, it’s a hard thing to say because let’s remember he started his contacts when he was five years old. But in terms of what he’s written about, it produced stresses for him with other people in his life, people at school and all of this, because he couldn’t tell the kids, and he became more introverted in certain ways. At the same time he was having all of these troubles, it was because he was having these experiences with the extraterrestrials that were tutoring him, and by the time he was seven years old, he was told he had the thinking capacity of a thirty five year old man.

LTP: Really? When they presented themselves to him, did they say that they were extraterrestrials?

MH: The way it all began it that his father and he had been outside, and they noticed this strange looking object flying through the sky, a silvery disc. He asks his father what it is. His father says: “I don’t know, I think it’s a weapon from Hitler.” This was 1942, and so this was sort of forgotten about by the father but not by Billy. Then shortly thereafter, Billy was outside playing and felt drawn to go into the woods. He was getting a sense in his head that he was hearing somebody talking to him; this is compressing the story a bit. So he went into the woods and there was a man, an old, old man that stood there, looking to be in like a divers suit to Billy, in front of a “pear shaped” craft. And his contacts began with this man named Sfath, and Sfath was his first extraterrestrial teacher. He could not talk to anybody about it except to the parish priest – Father Rudolph Zimmerman, and it was this man who supported Billy enormously. There were a couple of other people who Billy was able to confide in, but it was a very small number, and his life became a split experience of having these teachings and being tutored with this man in the craft, sometimes being taken above the Earth and shown things and educated. It sounds like science fiction to us, but it was his experience and it lasted with this teacher telepathically and physically for a few years. And then his voice faded before he was totally gone from Billy’s life, and Billy was told that when he was about sixteen the next teacher would appear, and that was a woman named Asket.

LTP: There is also a photograph of a lady in this book who apparently saw Billy walking and talking with an extraterrestrial female.

MH: Quite a credible person. I think it was her grandfather that was the head of an ashram in India. Billy was there around 1964, and during that time Billy had not only been taking photographs, he had taken up to eight of the craft above the ashram, but he was meeting with this woman Asket. And he was walking around with her on the grounds, and the lady that saw them was young at the time herself, and there were other witnesses as well. But this woman has become the prominent one. Not only did she see Billy walking with Asket, she said Asket used to come into her room at night and sing her to sleep and stroke her hair, and said that she had long blonde hair and was wearing a gold suit or something. And this lady who witnessed this is a retired diplomat from the UN, and a very credible person. There are well over a hundred witnesses to the ships.

LTP: That’s one of the questions I wanted to ask you, because here we have one person seeing Billy with the extraterrestrials, but what about when he’s been filming the ships?

MH: Well, for the most part, Billy could only go directly to the contacts and filming by himself; though he was allowed, at times, to let people drive him up to a certain proximity. So over time not only in Switzerland, but in other places, these ships were seen by well over a hundred people. And there’s at least four other photographers of the ships; some are the people who accompanied Billy on a cold wintry night or whatever, saw the ship either come or go, or saw Billy literally disappear standing in the middle of a field, or reappear miles away, inexplicably totally dry in a rain storm. These are the kind of stories that have made the case fascinating, and have driven the skeptics crazy too.

LTP: Wasn’t Billy given a piece of metal from the extraterrestrials?

MH: A good number of pieces of metal, as a matter of fact. He still has some.

LTP: Now why would an extraterrestrial give him a piece of metal? What would be the purpose?

MH: Well, just like he was given photo opportunities, and filming opportunities, and sound recording opportunities, they gave him some physical metal samples which were alloys for the purpose of letting them be analyzed so that it could add to the credibility of Meier’s claims without still forcing the proof. So those metal samples are quite compelling because they were examined by a notoriously brilliant scientist named Marcel Vogel.

LTP: The footage we’ve just seen, Michael, was Billy alone when he took that?

MH: No.

LTP: Who was there?

MH: The man who was the base commander for the extraterrestrials named Quetzal, who was standing to his left off camera. There’s more to that segment, and he speaks to him and asked him to move the ship around the tree, and Quetzal just shook his head and said no. They speak telepathically also. Meier wanted a little more proof for people, but they always hold something back, a little here and there, so that they don’t force people to believe. This still leaves room for people to be skeptical even though I haven’t seen anyone duplicate that footage either.

LTP: But wouldn’t it have been so great if the extraterrestrials had stepped in front of the camera and simply said: “Here I am”?

MH: Sure, but it probably would have thrown the focus of the case off. It’s not to be about them; they don’t want their faces to be photographed. And they said Earth people have a tendency to shift their focus or personalities to deify people, to make cults and religions. That happened in the past when their own forefathers were here, setting themselves up as the Gods of our religious history. And part of the reason they’re here now is to try to assist us, to extricate ourselves from that kind of thinking and all of the negative consequences that the past several thousand of years have been full of.

LTP: So they’re here for different purposes?

MH: Yes, certainly not to become celebrities for us.

LTP: Of course, the media is making it that way

MH: Well, part of that is deliberate in a sense of a long-term gradual indoctrination of humanity, to the possibility of the existence to other life forms. So they have been instrumental in helping to seed ideas that would be picked up by people who write movies or science fiction, or anything else so that we could from the late 40s or early 50s; to let this thought come in to our conscious for better or worse. We would view extraterrestrials as evil villains and strange aliens, cute little guys, but over and over again the message is that we’re not alone in the Universe.

Tracie Austin-Peters is the Host & Executive Producer of the TV show, Let’s Talk Paranormal. To learn more about the show, broadcasting schedules and to contact Tracie, go to letstalkparanormal.com.

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